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	<title>Comments on: Y Combinator Challenge #11 &#8211; Office Competitor</title>
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		<title>By: Y Combinator Challenge: Mission Accomplished! &#171; A Startup A Day</title>
		<link>http://astartupaday.com/2008/08/04/y-combinator-challenge-11-office-competitor/#comment-3603</link>
		<dc:creator>Y Combinator Challenge: Mission Accomplished! &#171; A Startup A Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Office Competitor - This idea got the most comments and traffic out of any of the posts.  I like the focus on the specific college market, but it&#8217;s such a difficult market, I&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;s worth the effort to try and crack it.  On the other hand, this market has a ton of upside potential - so if you&#8217;re going to swing for the fences, this isn&#8217;t a bad pitch to hit. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Office Competitor &#8211; This idea got the most comments and traffic out of any of the posts.  I like the focus on the specific college market, but it&#8217;s such a difficult market, I&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;s worth the effort to try and crack it.  On the other hand, this market has a ton of upside potential &#8211; so if you&#8217;re going to swing for the fences, this isn&#8217;t a bad pitch to hit. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kashif Shaikh</title>
		<link>http://astartupaday.com/2008/08/04/y-combinator-challenge-11-office-competitor/#comment-3507</link>
		<dc:creator>Kashif Shaikh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 08:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Jose...

Office is THE standard.  Everyone buys a computer just for MS office - one reason why parent&#039;s see a need to buy a computer for their son or daughter.

And office will be pirated if not available.  Trust me on this.

So if office is standard on a lot of computers, it makes little sense to bring it on the web - and if web office was a huge success, then MS would copycat it - destroying your market.

Everyone wants to steal market share from MS&#039;s core bread &amp; butter software suites, but you have to give people a real incentive to try out alternatives.

My idea? Learn from microsoft, and develop a vertical stack of products that work _very_ well together which includes a web office app.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Jose&#8230;</p>
<p>Office is THE standard.  Everyone buys a computer just for MS office &#8211; one reason why parent&#8217;s see a need to buy a computer for their son or daughter.</p>
<p>And office will be pirated if not available.  Trust me on this.</p>
<p>So if office is standard on a lot of computers, it makes little sense to bring it on the web &#8211; and if web office was a huge success, then MS would copycat it &#8211; destroying your market.</p>
<p>Everyone wants to steal market share from MS&#8217;s core bread &amp; butter software suites, but you have to give people a real incentive to try out alternatives.</p>
<p>My idea? Learn from microsoft, and develop a vertical stack of products that work _very_ well together which includes a web office app.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Vitelli</title>
		<link>http://astartupaday.com/2008/08/04/y-combinator-challenge-11-office-competitor/#comment-3483</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Vitelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jose, We working on it...flex is a little faster if built right...helps to have our SVP from Adobe...too..
ours will be for kids younger kids though...
mouse turns pages, top right...inserting test will be drop and drag....
http://www.rubenswieringa.com/code/as3/flex/Book/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jose, We working on it&#8230;flex is a little faster if built right&#8230;helps to have our SVP from Adobe&#8230;too..<br />
ours will be for kids younger kids though&#8230;<br />
mouse turns pages, top right&#8230;inserting test will be drop and drag&#8230;.<br />
<a href="http://www.rubenswieringa.com/code/as3/flex/Book/" rel="nofollow">http://www.rubenswieringa.com/code/as3/flex/Book/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael Wales</title>
		<link>http://astartupaday.com/2008/08/04/y-combinator-challenge-11-office-competitor/#comment-3472</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Wales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Sam&#039;s mention of all the Torrent sites was the fact that students can freely download MS Office 2007 Enterprise Blue Edition in about an hour, free of charge. It validates as genuine software, so no worrying about patching, and you have no issues with your school not accepting your file format.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Sam&#8217;s mention of all the Torrent sites was the fact that students can freely download MS Office 2007 Enterprise Blue Edition in about an hour, free of charge. It validates as genuine software, so no worrying about patching, and you have no issues with your school not accepting your file format.</p>
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		<title>By: Jose</title>
		<link>http://astartupaday.com/2008/08/04/y-combinator-challenge-11-office-competitor/#comment-3471</link>
		<dc:creator>Jose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sam
&gt;Before you try to start a startup doing this, however, you should be prepared to explain why existing web-based Office alternatives haven’t taken the world by storm

Because Office is a low level-old stuff program:

- It&#039;s fast.
- It&#039;s responsible.
- It&#039;s a quality program.(I use Linux , Word is one of Microsoft&#039;s best products,if not the best, they bought it and what makes it good was created before MS doing bad software.
- It&#039;s free if you pirate it(people do it).
- It could be networked(a la google earth, traditional software with network connection).
- I want to be able to connect with friends word DIRECTLY, without anyone else in the middle. A lot of people are with me in this.

Today web programming is crap (sorry for this word, but represents reality):
- It&#039;s slow.
- It&#039;s buggy.
- Depends on servers processing.
- My documents are not their business.

You know, when people talk about traditional software problems they argue:
- It&#039;s difficult and complex programming.
- It&#039;s very slow to program.

MS don&#039;t have this problem, the software is already done.

I think office competition is impossible, MS Office with a lot of people a lot of years effort is going to be better office than you, only doing things very radically different from word could do it. Then you won&#039;t be competing with anyone.

This is the marketting credo, forget about the product, focus on the need. It should be a need not satisfied from MS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sam<br />
&gt;Before you try to start a startup doing this, however, you should be prepared to explain why existing web-based Office alternatives haven’t taken the world by storm</p>
<p>Because Office is a low level-old stuff program:</p>
<p>- It&#8217;s fast.<br />
- It&#8217;s responsible.<br />
- It&#8217;s a quality program.(I use Linux , Word is one of Microsoft&#8217;s best products,if not the best, they bought it and what makes it good was created before MS doing bad software.<br />
- It&#8217;s free if you pirate it(people do it).<br />
- It could be networked(a la google earth, traditional software with network connection).<br />
- I want to be able to connect with friends word DIRECTLY, without anyone else in the middle. A lot of people are with me in this.</p>
<p>Today web programming is crap (sorry for this word, but represents reality):<br />
- It&#8217;s slow.<br />
- It&#8217;s buggy.<br />
- Depends on servers processing.<br />
- My documents are not their business.</p>
<p>You know, when people talk about traditional software problems they argue:<br />
- It&#8217;s difficult and complex programming.<br />
- It&#8217;s very slow to program.</p>
<p>MS don&#8217;t have this problem, the software is already done.</p>
<p>I think office competition is impossible, MS Office with a lot of people a lot of years effort is going to be better office than you, only doing things very radically different from word could do it. Then you won&#8217;t be competing with anyone.</p>
<p>This is the marketting credo, forget about the product, focus on the need. It should be a need not satisfied from MS.</p>
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		<title>By: astartupaday</title>
		<link>http://astartupaday.com/2008/08/04/y-combinator-challenge-11-office-competitor/#comment-3470</link>
		<dc:creator>astartupaday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SCZ - good idea!  Especially since users could start with free versions during freshman, sophmore, junior years, and then migrate to the premium features like this for their senior/grad school years when in theory they may have a little more cash available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SCZ &#8211; good idea!  Especially since users could start with free versions during freshman, sophmore, junior years, and then migrate to the premium features like this for their senior/grad school years when in theory they may have a little more cash available.</p>
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		<title>By: StCredZero</title>
		<link>http://astartupaday.com/2008/08/04/y-combinator-challenge-11-office-competitor/#comment-3469</link>
		<dc:creator>StCredZero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Freemium would work great with advanced features for thesis writing and journal articles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freemium would work great with advanced features for thesis writing and journal articles.</p>
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		<title>By: astartupaday</title>
		<link>http://astartupaday.com/2008/08/04/y-combinator-challenge-11-office-competitor/#comment-3468</link>
		<dc:creator>astartupaday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy - http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/17/breaking-yahoo-acquires-zimbra-for-350-million/

Barring a big payday, revenue could come once the product has traction by offering custom versions specifically for companies and/or using a freemium model to pay for extra features (such as offline access, templates, support SLAs, etc..).  In this space, though, you would really need to make some big upfront investments, this isn&#039;t one of those &quot;cash positive on day one&quot; type of ventures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy &#8211; <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/17/breaking-yahoo-acquires-zimbra-for-350-million/" rel="nofollow">http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/17/breaking-yahoo-acquires-zimbra-for-350-million/</a></p>
<p>Barring a big payday, revenue could come once the product has traction by offering custom versions specifically for companies and/or using a freemium model to pay for extra features (such as offline access, templates, support SLAs, etc..).  In this space, though, you would really need to make some big upfront investments, this isn&#8217;t one of those &#8220;cash positive on day one&#8221; type of ventures.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Kelley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Kelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So... how do you make money?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So&#8230; how do you make money?</p>
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		<title>By: astartupaday</title>
		<link>http://astartupaday.com/2008/08/04/y-combinator-challenge-11-office-competitor/#comment-3466</link>
		<dc:creator>astartupaday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sam,
A - Congrats on the new laptop!  Cool to see the awesome sense of community over at YC news.

B - Those are all file sharing sites, no?  My idea is more around creating a standard online Office suite that targets the college demographic as a way to build a user base and differentiate from existing offerings in this space.  I actually disagree with the &quot;little sense of ethics&quot; comment - smart students know that it doesn&#039;t really make sense to cheat as you&#039;re the one who is paying to learn (and your college GPA is basically worthless in the long run anyway).  Those who don&#039;t get that are going to find a way to cheat anyway, and that&#039;s really not who I&#039;m targeting here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sam,<br />
A &#8211; Congrats on the new laptop!  Cool to see the awesome sense of community over at YC news.</p>
<p>B &#8211; Those are all file sharing sites, no?  My idea is more around creating a standard online Office suite that targets the college demographic as a way to build a user base and differentiate from existing offerings in this space.  I actually disagree with the &#8220;little sense of ethics&#8221; comment &#8211; smart students know that it doesn&#8217;t really make sense to cheat as you&#8217;re the one who is paying to learn (and your college GPA is basically worthless in the long run anyway).  Those who don&#8217;t get that are going to find a way to cheat anyway, and that&#8217;s really not who I&#8217;m targeting here.</p>
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